Scott Smith

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Mr. Pendleton: I’m going to set that there, and set that there.  I guess, my…starting out, just to talk a little bit about like when you started playing, I guess, high school sports. 

Mr. Smith: All right, let’s see…at Stanford? 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: Let’s see here, I guess I was a freshman, yeah, and that would have been either ’39 or ’40, I’m not sure.  It had to have been, because I was born December 26th, of ’23, and, let’s see, I was 18 when I was…1941, so…I was playing ball in my freshman year at Stanford, which would’ve been what, 15, 16 years old. 

Mr. Pendleton: How many…how many other players were on the team? 

Mr. Smith: Oh, we didn’t have many.  I think we had…barely had enough for two teams. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: I’ve got a picture in here.  Do you want to see that before you…. 

Mr. Pendleton: Well, I’ll tell you…we’ll…we’ll just…. 

Mr. Smith: I’m going to keep that picture, though.  (laughs) 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah, yeah, that’s fine.  I might…I actually might…I can take a picture of the picture with my phone… 

Mr. Smith: There ain’t…. 

Mr. Pendleton: I may do that. 

Mr. Smith: Ain’t got but three of us in it…. 

Mr. Pendleton: Well…. 

Mr. Smith: And the coach’s head, just barely you can see in the background. 

Mr. Pendleton: Well…. 

Mr. Smith: He’s standing behind us. 

Mr. Pendleton: Who was your coach? 

Mr. Smith: Loco Noe.  It was Moco, actually, we called him Loco.  It was Moco M-o-c-o, I guess. 

Mr. Pendleton: Moco? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, I’m not sure that’s the spelling, but his name was Noe, N-o-e. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: And, he was…we only had one coach. 

Mr. Pendleton: There were no assistants? 

Mr. Smith: Not that I know of. 


Mr. Smith: And, he was also the basketball coach. 

Mr. Pendleton: Really, the football coach was also the basketball coach? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, yeah, yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow. 

Mr. Smith: He didn’t know anything about basketball, though. 


Mr. Pendleton: Now, how many games did you all play a season? 

Mr. Smith: Oh, God, now, let me think; probably nine…eight or nine, somewhere in there.  You know, you’re talking about somebody that’s been a long time ago. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh, I know.  Um…. 

Mr. Smith: Now, we played teams like Somerset, we played Lawrenceburg, Springfield; and Highlands had a basketball team and we played them then. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: And, Wayne County, Lancaster.  Our team was called the Wildcats. 

Mr. Pendleton: And, you had the same colors as U.K., didn’t you? 

Mr. Smith: Uh huh (yes); yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: Blue and white; um…. 

Mr. Smith: Let’s see, I left…in ’42, I was still in school, and I left in October to go into the service and I was eighteen years old then.  I was still in high school.  In fact, I didn’t finish it, until I came back. 

Mr. Pendleton: Did the school still have a team during the war? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: They still played football? 

Mr. Smith: As far as I know, after I left, I think they did; pretty sure.  But, on our team, we had a boy named Carroll Traylor, and he was our quarterback, football quarterback, he wound up being a doctor.  He didn’t go into the service.  He lived in Marshall County, when he got out.  I think he got his…Memphis…I think that’s where he got his doctorate, is in Memphis, I believe.  So, he went to work in Marshall County and opened an office there and died there.  But, our team, half the time, we didn’t have enough shoes.  There was no buses; we travelled with the coaches by car. 

Mr. Pendleton: Did you…I was reading some history about…a lot of it from the KHSAA, and they said a lot of teams travelled by train to like the tournaments and stuff. 

Mr. Smith: We didn’t.  We never…and I lived next to where the train station was, and we never got on a train. (laughing)  I guess, even going to Somerset…now, as far away a trip we made, I guess, was Somerset, probably.  Oh, I guess Springfield, that would be pretty far, too, wouldn’t it? 

Mr. Pendleton: How successful were you? 

Mr. Smith: Not very; we had winning seasons, but we had…teams like Harrodsburg would just maul us…. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mmmm. 

Mr. Smith: And, we had a hard time with Lancaster, too.  Lancaster was our one team that we played all the time. 

Mr. Pendleton: What about the uniforms?  Did you all wear the leather helmets? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah {    } on the head.  Did you see it in there? 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah. 

Mr. Smith: We didn’t have any concussions in those days, and I know why.  The helmets you got now, they are big and they’ve got a lot of air in them…. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: And, if you hit that, that’s where your concussion comes from. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh…. 

Mr. Smith: I don’t think we even had a guy to break his leg, his arm or nothing.  I don’t remember anybody getting hurt…. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh…. 

Mr. Smith: Except one, and them boys stepped on his arm in Somerset. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh… 

Mr. Smith: On the ground, he was laying there, and he walks over and just pushes… he’s laying there like that, and a guy stepped on him and broke his arm.  Somerset is a nice team. 

Mr. Pendleton: Somerset has always had a good team, haven’t they? 

Mr. Smith: Dirty. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh, really? 

Mr. Smith: Oh, God, yeah.  


Mr. Smith: Yeah, Harrodsburg and Somerset. 

Mr. Pendleton: It’s interesting, you know, to see that the traditions have continued on, because, I mean, like Somerset now is still now very, very good.  Harrods… Mercer County is still pretty decent. 

Mr.  Smith: Yeah, they are good.  They were good then.  I forgot who all we played, but they were probably better than anybody.   

Mr. Pendleton: Huh…. 

Mr. Smith: Harrodsburg and Somerset. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow. 

Mr. Smith: But, we finally had a bus, I think, to go on…one last year I was there, I think we had…we travelled by school bus. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: The gym…the basketball gym that was in the school, it’s still there.  It’s down in the basement.  I don’t know what that building is now.  It might be an administration building.  I don’t know.  You know where the railroad used to be? 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes), uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: All right, that street that goes down in there and then the school, I think, is Beaverton (sic) Independent School now, or something, but…I’m trying to think of what…to tell you where it was.  And, it’s still there; the football field was behind it.  The fact is, my grandson played on the same field I played on. 

Mr. Pendleton: Now, when you see football now…. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: Compared to what it was like then, what goes through your mind? 

Mr. Smith: Oh…. 

Mr. Pendleton: I guess it’s a lot different. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, the game is not much different, any difference in it, it’s not as good as it is now.  Of course, you have more coaches. 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah. 

Mr. Smith: And, you’ve got better players.  Now, we had some pretty decent players, but they weren’t nothing like they are now. 

Mr. Pendleton: Now, were the goal posts at the front of the end zone, instead of at the rear of the end zone like it is now? 

Mr. Smith: No, they were just like, if you’re in the…like that…this is the field…say this is the field, they were at the end. 

Mr. Pendleton: I guess the rules are a little bit different now, aren’t they? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, I don’t remember hardly much about rules, but I know, from the basketball…the women that played, the half court in them days, and basketball games are different now.  You had jump ball all the time, every time you scored, you had a jump ball. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: We played Somerset and I was the high point man with eleven points, and the score was seventeen. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh, really…. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow, that’s something.  Do you remember anything about a state championship team in 1910 with Stanford football? 

Mr. Smith: I’ve heard about it, but I don’t know…I don’t even know {   }.  If there’s any pictures of that team, it would be in the library. 

Mr. Pendleton: In the Lincoln County Library? 

Mr. Smith: Uh huh (yes); yeah.   

Mr. Pendleton: Okay. 

Mr. Smith: Cause I know I went over to the library and looked up 1940 and ’41, in the newspapers, and found some stories in there about us when we played Somerset. I think there’s film on that {  }.  You can call and get…I think you can get videos of them.  I don’t…you know, it’s hard to remember…I just remember a few games.   

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: I remember the Somerset game and I remember Harrodsburg, because Harrodsburg had two boys on there named (sic) Black, and I bet they were right out of reform school.   

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: And, they were mean.  They’d hurt ya. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh really (laughing). 

Mr. Smith: Yeah; and then, Danville, at that time, had Dobie (sic) Phelps and Zeke Dexter.  God, Delbert (sic) Oberman (sic) played high school here and then went to play for the Cleveland Browns. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: We didn’t have what you’d call a good solid football team.  I don’t know, I think the biggest boy we had on there, was a boy named Gooch.  He weighed about 220 or 230.  That was it.   

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: The basketball team, we had a boy named Adams, Jim, he…he was the center, and was around like six two or three, and I played guard. 

Mr. Pendleton: Was there a…um…did you have eleven players on the football team? 

Mr. Smith: Uh huh (yes), yeah; I think the only school that didn’t have was Burgin. 

Mr. Pendleton: Okay. 

Mr. Smith: I think Burgin had six on a team. 

Mr. Pendleton: What position did you play on football? 

Mr. Smith: On football, I was…I started out in the line, then I went to defensive back  and offensive back. 

Mr. Pendleton: Did you all play both ways? 

Mr. Smith: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Pendleton: And, what was the…how many points were usually scored in a game? 

Mr. Smith: Uh, six, roughly; I guess fourteen was the most points. 

Mr. Pendleton: Really…. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: So, low scoring? 

Mr. Smith: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Pendleton: So, you didn’t have that many touchdowns. 

Mr. Smith: No. 

Mr. Pendleton: Was it all just a defensive battle? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: I guess the good teams, of course, beat us pretty bad, but I think we…I think we beat Springfield like twenty to nothing or something like that.   

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: It wasn’t scored like they are now.  Oh, we had good passing zones and everything else, but…had the running backs, but not like you see now. 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah. 

Mr. Smith: So, I think at one time, we didn’t have enough boys to dress out. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh…what were the uniforms like? 

Mr. Smith: Oh, God, it was whatever you got your hands on. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes); did you have to pay for your own? 

Mr. Smith: No, you got your uniform, but they were old and ragged looking.  You can see them in there in that picture I’ve got.  Most of them had taped up legs (sic) or taped up pads on them. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: But, I don’t remember anybody on our team getting hurt to where they couldn’t play the next game 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: And, they played just as hard as anybody.  But, nowadays, you see them when they hit, you can hear them up in the grandstands. 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah. 

Mr. Smith: But, I think, and I’ve always thought, that the concussions come from the helmets, because they’re…like in the boxing, if you’re boxing with big heavy gloves, that gives you a concussion a lot worse than the six ounce, eight ounce gloves. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: Cause they’re smaller; but the bigger they are, the more cushion you get.  The same way with helmets; you’ve got all that stuff in the helmets that’s loose and the air is inside and you hit that and that’s (makes a breaking/cracking noise with his mouth)…. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: If you had that old helmet we had, why, you wouldn’t…it’s like hitting that wall there, it’d knock you out, but we never had any concussions.  I don’t remember anybody getting hurt where they couldn’t play. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: And, I know those three years I was playing…but…I’m sure they did, but… 

Mr. Pendleton: What I’m looking at is just to see if there’s anything…John sent me some questions to ask.  I’m going to be interviewing Bill Ed Leedy a little bit later on today…. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: And, he…I’m just kind of going through here to see if there was anything that he wanted me to ask you about as well.  I don’t…do you know about…did Stanford have the only football team ever, in the county? 

Mr. Smith: Let me think a minute; yeah, I think they were the only ones in the county.  We played basket…all the teams had basketball.  Highlands up there was one of the better teams at basketball.  We played outdoors. 

Mr. Pendleton: Really. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, they didn’t have any ends to them.  They had a boy on there that could hit about 65 percent of his shots. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: When he was indoors…. 

Mr. Pendleton: What was his name? 

Mr. Smith: God, I don’t know.  They had two kids up there that was cross-eyed and I had to guard one of them, and I never had no idea which way it was going. 

Mr. Pendleton: You say they didn’t play in gyms for a while. 

Mr. Smith: No. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow, played outdoors. 

Mr. Smith: Played outdoors; and when they played indoors, that guy…they could hit the center…every shot they threw up there.  They asked one boy…matter of fact, Lexington Herald Sports Writer came down there and was talking to them and did an interview with them and asked him…I think he could hit 65 percent of his shots outdoors, and they asked him how good he was when he got indoors; he was better.  They asked him how come he could hit so good and he said, well, indoors, you don’t have to allow for the wind… 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow…. 

Mr. Smith: Every minute, that’s exactly…. 

Mr. Pendleton: That is something else. 

Mr. Smith: Now, the rest of the teams we played, they had gymnasiums, but they had…most of them had a big stove right near the basket. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh… 

Mr. Smith: And, if you went straight in, you were burned. 

Mr. Pendleton: Really…. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah; now, Casey County, for instance was one of them; Liberty, and everybody…and then Mt. Vernon didn’t have…I don’t know if they’ve still got the same floor or not, but it didn’t have anything under it.  It would go up and down like this.  You could run and the ball would go (makes noise with his mouth) and it would just stop.  It hit that floor and {  }, so what we did, at halftime,  we were… they were beating the pee out of us, so at halftime we decided that we wasn’t going to do any dribbling.  So, what we did, we got the ball off the rebound, we started passing it, and we’d go down the floor and nobody ever had a chance to dribble.  And, we won. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow. 

Mr. Smith: And, they wouldn’t let us out of the gym that night.  I remember that.   

Mr. Pendleton:`(laughter) 

Mr. Smith: A guy had a gun on. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh…I remember reading there was a game at the Lincoln High School, the black school, where they played Bate, and, apparently, there was a…the officials had their clothes thrown on the floor or something.  There was a big ruckus or something. 

Mr. Smith: Now, I’ll tell you what, if we had…now, we practiced…I did…I practiced with the black teams.  I went over there and practiced and boxed with them.  I learned how to box. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: Over on Maxwell Street.  I was the only white kid on Maxwell Street in the boxing ring. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh. 

Mr. Smith: And, I’d go up there, and they…they respected me, because I was pretty good.  The fact is, I was fleet champion in the service. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: But, if I…if we’d had those black kids playing with us, there wouldn’t have been a team in the state that could have beaten us.  They were that good. 

Mr. Pendleton: Really. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah. 

Mr. Smith: We’d go over there on a Sunday and play against them and they’d just beat the piss out of us. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow, that’s something.  And, then, I…you know…this is a few years after you played, obviously, but in the sixties, Stanford, apparently, wanted to quit football…. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: Because they were terrible.  And, then they integrated with Lincoln High and then they were almost unstoppable. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, Stanford itself, like I said, there were times that we practiced, we wouldn’t have enough boys to make a team. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: Then finally we started getting more boys.  But, you are talking about kids that were five foot five and a hundred and fifteen, twenty pounds. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh, gosh.  That’s about like I was when I was in high school. 

Mr. Smith: I was the biggest…one of the biggest boys they had, and my height, I was about like I am now, and then we had one other that was about six three, Adams, and that was it, for basketball. 

Mr. Pendleton: Did you all play on Friday nights? 

Mr. Smith: I kind of think so.  That’s the only night we played on, was Friday night, yeah. 

Mr. Pendleton: And, under the lights? 

Mr. Smith: Huh uh (yes)…no, we didn’t have football under the lights, just basketball. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh, okay; okay. 

Mr. Smith: I’m trying to think, Jessamine County…there’s a school up there on the highway now, what is the name, they just rebuilt it.  Do you know where 34 is? 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah; Camp Dick? 

Mr. Smith: Camp Dick, yeah; we played them all the time.  And, they had a high school team.  And, Lincoln County had about three or four high school teams. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: And, then we played Liberty, and of course Garrard County…it was Lancaster.  It wasn’t Garrard, it was Lancaster. 

Mr. Pendleton: You’re talking about basketball, right? 

Mr. Smith: Uh huh (yes); we played them in football, too, if they had a team, which Lancaster did.  I think they called them the dragons, the green dragons.   

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: They were pretty good. 

Mr. Pendleton: They went from the green dragons to the golden lions? 

Mr. Smith: Uh huh (yes), yeah.  We were always the wildcats, as long as I was there. 

Mr. Pendleton: What about fans?  Did fans come to the games? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, we had quite a good bunch of fans in there, basketball and football.  Their gym was in the basement, kind of like a basement, it was below the first floor.  But, it was a good gym for the basketball game.  It had the seats, of course, on the sides but it didn’t have any on the ends.  And, it’s still the same way right now, I think.  Let’s see, it’s an elementary…used to be an elementary school.  

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah. 

Mr. Smith: And, I think now, it’s the main office. 

Mr. Pendleton: Right, the Board of Education. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, uh huh (yes).  And, cause I…they had a…guys would bring their ponies… have ponies they would ride to school and behind the school, where the football field was, they had a place there where the ponies were put, and could stay there, like a barn, but we called it a hovel.  It was an open front. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: And, Joe T. Emory was principal for God knows how long, all the time I was there, and I think long after. 

Mr. Pendleton: I guess he’s passed away since then. 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, yeah.  You know, I think I’m the only one left…. 

Mr. Pendleton: Really. 

Mr. Smith: Out of the football team. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow. 

Mr. Smith: Some of them got killed in the service. 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah, now, what were the war years like?  You know, like in World War II, I mean, what did that do to High School sports? 

Mr. Smith: Not being here, I don’t have any idea, you know, what it did, really, to tell you the truth, because most of our…just about all of my team was in the service. 

Mr. Pendleton: Mm. 

Mr. Smith: And, one of them got killed trying to save somebody. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow. 

Mr. Smith: He’d fallen off an LST in the water, and they was trying to get him up, and he fell in and he drowned.  A boy named Harris.  I think his brother and uncle still works over at the Stanford Courthouse over there.  I was in Guadalcanal and I get a message from the draft board that they was going to put me in jail because I didn’t report for the draft board. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: I had my lieutenant send them a message that if they wanted me, they could come and get me.  I was in Guadalcanal.  I’d been there for three years and three months. 

Mr. Pendleton: How many years did you play before you  joined the service? 

Mr. Smith: Let’s see, about two…almost three years. 

Mr. Pendleton: Okay.  

Mr. Smith: Yeah, come out of Berea, and I’ll tell you what kind of teams they had, I made the first team right off the bat.   

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: And, I was first team for basketball. 

Mr. Pendleton: Huh. 

Mr. Smith: And, I played guard for basketball and defensive back and offensive back in football and I played at one time…I played tackle.  I only weighed a hundred and sixty.  We didn’t have any…we had one boy named Porky, Porky Vanover.  He was a hundred and eighty, a hundred and ninety pounds, but most of it was fat. 

Mr. Pendleton: Was that why they called him Porky? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah; I think all of them…George Swope was going into Stanford where the hotel is there, you know where that’s at? 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes), uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: The { } across from there? 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah. 

Mr. Smith: That was George’s place. 

Mr. Pendleton: Yeah, I live on Foster Lane. 

Mr. Smith: George was a running back.  He should have been a lineman.  One day, I forget what game it was we was playing, it was either Lawrenceburg or Springfield, one of the two, and he hit this guy so damn hard, it turned his helmet all the way around.  Now, this is George done it.  He couldn’t see out of it, see.  It turned all the way around. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow. 

Mr. Smith: And, he thought he was blind.  He was hollering and screaming.  He was raising hell, because he couldn’t see.  Now, George died about two or three years ago. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh. 

Mr. Smith: In fact, there was one that just recently died that played on the second team, Wayne Turpin, he just died about a month…four months ago.  He lived up in Ohio, Akron.  And, Bob and I used to fly a lot.  We’d race airplanes back in the forties and fifties.  I don’t know a lot about the scores and things.  I just know we got beat.  If we’d play Lancaster three times, we’d lose twice.  I think we beat them one and they had a free for all. 

Mr. Pendleton: I know that they…some history of they used to play for like a little brown jug. 

Mr. Smith: The jug, yeah, a little green jug I think it was. 

Mr. Pendleton: Was it safe to say there was a rivalry between Stanford and Lancaster? 

Mr. Smith: Yeah, a big one; fist fights and everything. 

Mr. Pendleton: Wow. 

Mr. Smith: I don’t think there was ever a game that we didn’t have a fight.  Even not only the players, the grandstand…people in the grandstand. 

Mr. Pendleton: Were the police ever called? 

Mr. Smith: Now, they wouldn’t dare come to a game. 

Mr. Pendleton: (Laughing), oh, the police didn’t come.  Cause, I know now, like at the school…the high school games, you’ve got…you know, you like the security there and stuff like that. 

Mr. Smith: We didn’t have that. 

Mr. Pendleton: Well, I tell you what, we’ve talked a lot.  That’s really all the questions that I had.  Is there anything else that you would like to add or…. 

Mr. Smith: No, of course, my son played over there…he played for Danville. 

Mr. Pendleton: Uh huh (yes). 

Mr. Smith: And he made all state center. 

Mr. Pendleton: Hm, now, when did he play? 

Mr. Smith: He played…let’s see, he was in college at…he played in the seventies. 

Mr. Pendleton: Okay. 

Mr. Smith: Fact is, on the wall over there…let’s see here…. (he gets up and moves away from the microphone to something on the wall in his house and is still talking) he was all state, I think that was ’77 in the Lexington Herald…yeah, ’77. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh, yeah. 

Mr. Smith:{  } in the Lexington Herald-Leader. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh, wow, huh. 

Mr. Smith: That’s him right there. 

Mr. Pendleton: Oh, okay. 

Mr. Smith:{  } in ’82. 

Mr. Pendleton: All right, well, I tell you what, what I’d like to do now…let me stop…. 




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